THE argument
This all began when I posted a link to
this survey which showed that Fox news viewers are significantly less informed than consumers of news from other sources. An ex-coworker of Anton and I's, David (who is cool), re-shared it on his wall with this comment "If those stats are correct, (they could be totally made up) we are fucked!"
This is what followed, minus a few "I LOVE THIS" posts from David. (It's long, but worth it. I'm bold, & my main opponent is underlined. Everyone else italics. Also: Brian & Shannon are siblings...didn't want to post last names.)
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Alecia: The question isn't whether the stats are correct, they are (within an appropriate margin of error), but whether this is a causal relation or a correlation...does Fox make you stupid, or are stupid people just drawn to Fox?
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Greg: I saw this yesterday when I accomplished reading the whole internet. The truth is, if you are getting your news from O'Reilly or Hannity, you're no better than getting your news from Maddow, Matthews or Olbermann. They're all sabre rattling shills. The mainstream media has turned into an epic failure, completely slanted and misleading.
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Brian: Try watching mathews or olberman on msnbc. Talk about misinformed...
Brian: Furthermore, the actual news programs on fox are very good and not biased. Opinionated programs like oreilly and hannity are just that but it's not like they try and hide it. At least they bring on pundits from the other side and actually debate topics.
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Shannon:
This is propoganda (or PR as we call it in my world) related to Al Gore and his claim that FOX manipulates the news because of an email from a FOX managing editor outlining their commitment to unbias coverage of "global warming." You call this manipulation of coverage? This to me says they're responsibly reporting the facts:
"Given the controversy over the veracity of climate change data," Sammon wrote, "we should refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question. It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies."
So, wait, who's trying to manipulate coverage here? Seems like Al Gore is working the media pretty hard today to prove his theories. As a PR person I know that you can create any survey to get the results you want. Too bad the rest of the American public believe any "survey" they read.
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Brian: Lol! Nice one sis!
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Alecia:
@Shannon
As a political science major whose favorite subject was statistics, I ALSO know surveys are easy to manipulate. These questions are straightforward with extremely significant results. Also worth noting is that it's not the first time this has been surveyed and these results have been found. Along with this study performed by the University of Maryland,
"This study corroborates a previous PIPA study that focused on the Iraq war with similar results. And there was an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll that demonstrated the break with reality on the part of Fox viewers with regard to health care. The body of evidence that Fox News is nothing but a propaganda machine dedicated to lies is growing by the day."
Picking one hot-topic issue and screeching about Al Gore does little to disprove the other 8 questions, and also makes you look like a fool considering you're still shilling for Fox News while responding to a survey about that same news organization making you stupid. Good job.
And @Brian, maybe you should have read the whole article before you began railing against MSNBC, which has the BEST record on informing viewers (not great, but in the age of corporate owned EVERYTHING what does one expect.)
"By the way, the rest of the media was not blameless. CNN and the broadcast network news operations fared only slightly better in many cases. Even MSNBC, which had the best record of accurately informing viewers, has a ways to go before it can brag about it."
LOL good one Alecia.
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Brian:
Wow, I know a great way to settle this! Alecia vs. Shannon, fisticuffs. I know who my money is on...
Seriously though...
@ Alecia :) if you think Mathews, Olberman, the Ed show, Maddow, etc are any different than Hannity, O'Reilly, etc, only on the opposite end of the spectrum, than you are a complete moron. Also, Fox's opinionated programs do not begin until 7pm. They are still doing the news when MSNBC's liberal pundits are on the majority of the day. If you think the news on Fox is biased than you haven't watched it, and are clearly talking out of your ass.
We all know that Liberals own the media. Fox news is the only place you can go for an opposing view. Not to mention they constantly bring on people from the other side for debates so it's up to you to choose who you agree with more. There is a reason Fox's ratings are by far higher than any other cable network.
Also, the fact that you take this viewpoint does not surprise me considering the fact that you were more than likely educated by liberal professors, thus you are a bleeding heart liberal yourself.
Have a nice weekend!
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Anton: David you are an asshole for putting this shit up. Now my girlfriend has to duel Shannon. My bleeding liberal heart will not allow me to hit Brian, so I'd just curl up in a ball as he hits me with the butt of his rifle.
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Alecia:
For the record, I watched Fox EXCLUSIVELY for about 2 years, 2-4 hours a day. To find out for myself / research their claims / have a laugh. (This was back in the Gibson-Smith-Hume-O'Reilly-Hannity&Colmes-Greta days. In that order.) But by all means continue to sling accusations, you are a perfect example of what this study means to those that actually seek out truths instead of blindly following the media. And continue to ignore the statistics I actually cited saying MSNBC HAS THE MOST INFORMED VIEWERS. But oh yes, facts get in the way of your Hannity worship, so just ignore them like a good Fox drone...
And also, for the record, I don't watch any of the garbage cable news channels and I despise BOTH political parties.
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Brian:
I don't really understand what you mean by "slinging accusations". MSNBC has become almost entirely an opinionated network. That is not an accusation. Check the lineup yourself. This is why their ratings continue to drop.
Rifle toting, scotch breath, wall punching, red faced, gay bashing, racist conservative signing off. :)
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Anton: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who said anything about wall punching?
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Shannon: Good work poli sci major and statistics buff, clearly you don't study mass media in your program.
Shannon: Furthermore, the point is that it's not coincidental that this survey emerges the same day Al Gore rants about Fox, again it's called PR.
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Alecia
@Brian - I never attempted to claim that MSNBC wasn't a left-leaning station. Olbermann and Maddow are both extremely liberal. Funny how the most liberal station scores best at informing it's viewers (AKA it's viewers not believing lies about factual issues)! Maybe that's because...hmm...this is a tough one...
@Shannon - So the University of Maryland and Al Gore are BFF's now? Along with Al Gore and all the other survey groups that have done studies showing similar results?
Sounds like quite the conspiracy you're flaunting.
Also, Al Gore spoke out regarding the leaked internal e-mail at Fox. OF WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN MANY. All with the same extremely Republican slant.
But no, an Al Gore conspiracy totally makes more sense.
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David: YES!!!! I LOVE IT!!!
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Alecia Can't...stop...arguing...ahhghhghghghhg
Alecia We should all just watch this and agree that it's fucking creepy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8514703202504622113#
*****(Note: This is a link to a documentary called "Married to the Eiffel Tower". It is about women who are in love with inanimate objects, mostly large structures...although one woman did have a long term relationship with her archery bow. I highly recommend it, it's fucking insane. Hat tip to
Ty for this great find. I was trying to lighten the mood...and I'm also obsessed with it.)*****
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David: Hahahahahaha! That is hilarious!
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Shannon: So then Alecia, what is it that you do for a job? Turns out I've been working with national media on a daily basis for 10 years. You truly have no idea how the world of media turns. But don't feel bad, most people have no comprehension. Don't stop believin', hold on to that feelin' Ha, ha, you're an idiot and I'm peacin' out on this.
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Alecia: @Dave I can't wait to consummate my marriage with the Berlin Wall, and neither can he.
@Shannon I DON'T GOTS NO JOB DAYUM YOU A PR PERSON IM LIKE SO IMPRSSED U NEED 2 B LIKE A GEENYUS 4 DAT
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Shannon: Ha, well 100k + ain't hurtin' nobody! I'll keep pimpin' my way to the bank! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! How's that poli sci major workin' out for you? No wonder while you're hostile. Still laughin' all the way to the bank! Beotch!!!!! So then what's your job then?
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Alecia:
I told you already, I don't work, and I don't plan on using my degree- so I guess as a piece of paper it's fulfilling it's duties nicely by not disintegrating.
Congratulations on your paycheck! We're all real impressed. For, as any good Republican knows, money is the only meaningful representation of a life well spent.
Also, it's "no wonder WHY you're hostile". There's only so much spell check can catch...furthermore, I wouldn't say I'm the one that is hostile seeing as you have now called me both an "idiot" and a "beotch". Beacon of maturity, you are.
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Anton: I enjoy colors, and shiny things.
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David: I love this!
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Anton: Fuck off, Dave. This is not your war.
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Shannon: I'll keep paying for you to enjoy your life as a ahem, now what do you do again?. You just sit back, relax and enjoy. Sounds fulfilling. I'm proud of my accomplishments, my job, my house and my family because I've worked my ass off. The reason I lean Republican is because I don't want to pay for dumb fucks like you who contribute nothing to our society and expect everything in return. There's no free paycheck. Oh wait, I guess there is ...
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David: Actually Shannon, they both saved a shit ton of money, and now they tour around third-world countries. You don't pay for them.
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Shannon: Oh, but I thought money is not meaningful? It's just used to pay for stuff. Good one. I've been to 25 countries, even third world countries. Imagine that? Turns out you can travel and contribute to society.
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Alecia:
You have once again misconstrued my words for your own purposes. I didn't say "money is not meaningful", I was merely suggesting that it need not define ones life. You boasting and mocking me over your paycheck is, well, kind of pathetic, "beotch". As if that gives you any more intelligence or any higher claim to the truth.
To be honest, I've grown quite weary of fighting with somebody that ignores blatant facts and chooses to fight about me as a person as opposed to the issues originally at hand. I could get this petty bullshit level "debating" on "Teens Against Abortion".
Although I'm glad you finally took my bait and ranted about "paying for me". Made my day. If you have really traveled as extensively as you claim, then good for you. I'm surprised it didn't open your eyes a bit wider...but then again, I am but a peasant. I obviously know nothing since I do not own a house.